1 00:00:20,020 --> 00:00:24,399 If you want to know who's in charge in a territory, ask the people. 2 00:00:26,401 --> 00:00:31,072 And yes, people are the ones who are going to tell you If the government rules or the mafia rules. 3 00:00:32,365 --> 00:00:37,454 And, today, in Sinaloa, We have been in charge of the mafia for many years. 4 00:00:40,165 --> 00:00:42,167 And people know it. 5 00:00:49,799 --> 00:00:53,261 Who rules in a mafia? The most bastard, without a doubt, right? 6 00:00:54,220 --> 00:00:57,849 Everyone told you that May ruled. 7 00:00:58,433 --> 00:01:01,144 Here they called "the gentleman with the hat." 8 00:01:05,398 --> 00:01:10,403 All drug dealers They told you: "No, we don't talk about May." 9 00:01:10,904 --> 00:01:13,615 Because they know that if they opened their mouths, 10 00:01:13,615 --> 00:01:18,495 maybe it would be the last time that they would have the opportunity to do so. 11 00:01:18,995 --> 00:01:22,832 That was the level of fear, of respect, 12 00:01:22,832 --> 00:01:27,545 that they had someone like Ismael "el Mayo" Zambada García. 13 00:01:27,545 --> 00:01:29,130 To the boss of bosses. 14 00:01:43,978 --> 00:01:48,149 On July 25, 24 15 00:01:48,149 --> 00:01:52,028 It will mark a before and after in the history of drug trafficking in Mexico. 16 00:01:54,948 --> 00:01:59,160 The mafia respects even its enemies. 17 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,621 What he does not admit is betrayal. 18 00:02:09,129 --> 00:02:12,257 On July 25, 2024, 19 00:02:12,257 --> 00:02:15,885 I went to the ranch and event center called Huertos del Pedregal, 20 00:02:15,885 --> 00:02:18,054 on the outskirts of Culiacán. 21 00:02:19,014 --> 00:02:22,517 The meeting was scheduled for 11 in the morning. 22 00:02:24,060 --> 00:02:28,189 I saw many armed men with green military uniforms, 23 00:02:28,189 --> 00:02:32,110 which I assumed were gunmen of Joaquín Guzmán and his brothers. 24 00:02:38,867 --> 00:02:43,455 I saw Joaquín Guzmán López, whom I have known since I was little. 25 00:02:44,664 --> 00:02:49,461 Relying on the nature of the meeting, I followed him without hesitation. 26 00:02:51,379 --> 00:02:53,131 They ambushed me. 27 00:02:55,258 --> 00:02:57,135 A group of men assaulted me, 28 00:02:57,135 --> 00:03:00,764 he threw me to the ground and placed me a dark colored hood on the head. 29 00:03:04,142 --> 00:03:06,186 They tied me up and handcuffed me, 30 00:03:06,186 --> 00:03:09,522 and then they forced me to get in in the bed of a truck. 31 00:03:17,947 --> 00:03:20,367 Then they took me to a landing strip, 32 00:03:20,367 --> 00:03:22,952 where they forced me to get on a private plane. 33 00:03:36,633 --> 00:03:40,470 One of the founders of the Sinaloa cartel, Mayo Zambada, 34 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:44,432 was detained in the United States together with Joaquín Guzmán López. 35 00:03:44,432 --> 00:03:48,687 He was arrested along with the son of the drug trafficker El Chapo. 36 00:03:48,687 --> 00:03:51,314 Mayo Zambada, the untouchable, 37 00:03:51,314 --> 00:03:54,526 the one who had never been arrested in half a century. 38 00:03:54,526 --> 00:03:57,112 The one who had never set foot in a prison. 39 00:03:57,112 --> 00:04:00,699 They fell, he said, from the sky, to the FBI. 40 00:04:01,324 --> 00:04:04,494 Federal authorities they haven't explained yet 41 00:04:04,494 --> 00:04:09,040 how those men ended that night on a rural landing strip. 42 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:12,544 But no source suggests that have deviated in mid-flight. 43 00:04:12,544 --> 00:04:16,923 This case seems taken from a drug novel. 44 00:05:09,517 --> 00:05:11,770 This morning the trial began 45 00:05:11,770 --> 00:05:13,855 which will last at least four months. 46 00:05:17,108 --> 00:05:18,526 {\an8}EL CHAPO COURT IN BROOKLYN 47 00:05:18,526 --> 00:05:22,447 {\an8}Extreme security in front of the federal court in New York, 48 00:05:22,447 --> 00:05:25,617 {\an8}where the trial begins against Joaquín "el Chapo" Guzmán. 49 00:05:25,617 --> 00:05:27,786 {\an8}MEXICAN CAPO COULD RECEIVE LIFE 50 00:05:27,786 --> 00:05:30,372 {\an8}The police even Brooklyn Bridge will close 51 00:05:30,372 --> 00:05:34,167 {\an8}every time Guzmán is transferred from prison to court. 52 00:05:35,794 --> 00:05:38,838 {\an8} The rise destructive and violent of Guzmán 53 00:05:38,838 --> 00:05:41,424 {\an8}as an international drug trafficker 54 00:05:41,424 --> 00:05:44,511 {\an8}it was like a small tumor 55 00:05:44,511 --> 00:05:49,182 {\an8}that metastasized until it became a great scourge. 56 00:05:49,182 --> 00:05:54,145 This is a powerful individual, a powerful criminal, 57 00:05:54,145 --> 00:05:57,440 the most infamous criminal of the modern era. 58 00:05:59,067 --> 00:06:02,529 When Chapo's trial begins, 59 00:06:02,529 --> 00:06:06,199 I remember that I arrived with a colleague and I started laughing. 60 00:06:07,659 --> 00:06:12,872 Because? Because I saw the tanks, I saw the entire federal building surrounded. 61 00:06:15,250 --> 00:06:16,918 {\an8}What were you waiting for? 62 00:06:16,918 --> 00:06:19,963 {\an8}A group of gunmen of the Sinaloa cartel 63 00:06:19,963 --> 00:06:23,800 that they will arrive on the subway train to leave 64 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,885 or in helicopters, small planes: 65 00:06:25,885 --> 00:06:28,179 "We're coming for our boss"? 66 00:06:31,391 --> 00:06:32,434 Because it was El Chapo. 67 00:06:34,978 --> 00:06:37,897 {\an8}Because that was the image that the DEA created for him. 68 00:06:41,818 --> 00:06:46,531 {\an8}Mayo and El Chapo were, for almost 25 years, 69 00:06:46,531 --> 00:06:49,284 {\an8}the central figures of the Sinaloa cartel. 70 00:06:51,453 --> 00:06:55,665 {\an8}But their styles They couldn't be more different. 71 00:06:57,459 --> 00:07:03,089 {\an8}El Chapo was ostentatious, an iconic public figure. 72 00:07:03,089 --> 00:07:05,425 On the other hand, Mayo Zambada was, 73 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:09,721 during his 40 or 50 year career, a ghost 74 00:07:10,555 --> 00:07:15,143 Mayo had a very important presence throughout the entire trial. 75 00:07:15,143 --> 00:07:18,646 In fact, on the first day of the trial, when Chapo's lawyer 76 00:07:18,646 --> 00:07:22,108 presented his opening statement before the jury, 77 00:07:22,108 --> 00:07:26,863 he proceeded to blame everything on Mayo. 78 00:07:41,628 --> 00:07:42,796 What I held 79 00:07:42,796 --> 00:07:49,302 was that, although Chapo Guzmán was the most famous member, 80 00:07:49,302 --> 00:07:51,137 of the Sinaloa cartel, 81 00:07:51,137 --> 00:07:52,597 Mayo Zambada 82 00:07:52,597 --> 00:07:55,975 He was the brain of the organization. 83 00:07:55,975 --> 00:07:58,436 {\an8}Maybe, at some point, they can go 84 00:07:58,436 --> 00:08:00,980 {\an8}by people who have sunbathed 85 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:05,151 {\an8}during the last 40 or 50 years and they haven't stopped. 86 00:08:05,151 --> 00:08:09,364 Two of the main witnesses in the Chapo trial 87 00:08:09,364 --> 00:08:12,784 They were King Zambada, brother of Mayo Zambada, 88 00:08:12,784 --> 00:08:15,286 and Vicente Zambada, 89 00:08:15,286 --> 00:08:19,249 his eldest son and main heir. 90 00:08:19,249 --> 00:08:23,044 Your Honor, the prosecution calls Vicente Zambada Niebla to testify. 91 00:08:31,970 --> 00:08:33,763 Mr. Zambada, where are you from? 92 00:08:34,514 --> 00:08:36,725 From Culiacán, Sinaloa, Mexico. 93 00:08:36,725 --> 00:08:39,561 - Who is your father? - Ismael Zambada García. 94 00:08:39,561 --> 00:08:41,938 Does your father have a nickname? 95 00:08:41,938 --> 00:08:45,233 Yes, "el Mayo" is the most common. 96 00:08:46,026 --> 00:08:47,861 And then, King Zambada 97 00:08:47,861 --> 00:08:51,531 gave to the jury a real master class 98 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:55,535 about the operation of the Sinaloa cartel. 99 00:08:55,535 --> 00:08:57,704 "This is the structure. That's how money works. 100 00:08:57,704 --> 00:09:02,250 This is how we control the airports. "This is how we bribe officials." 101 00:09:04,753 --> 00:09:07,964 I came to think which was a bloody opera. 102 00:09:09,132 --> 00:09:12,385 From the stand extravagant stories were heard, 103 00:09:12,969 --> 00:09:19,225 full of violence, desire and betrayal, one day after another. 104 00:09:21,478 --> 00:09:23,938 The trial of Chapo Guzmán 105 00:09:23,938 --> 00:09:28,443 he put us on the table the most important clues 106 00:09:28,443 --> 00:09:32,739 In order to understand who he was, At that time, he was a fugitive, 107 00:09:32,739 --> 00:09:36,034 Ismael "el Mayo" Zambada García. 108 00:09:37,077 --> 00:09:39,913 {\an8}Between 1975 and 1985, his brother 109 00:09:39,913 --> 00:09:42,290 {\an8}was involved in heroin and marijuana trafficking. 110 00:09:42,290 --> 00:09:43,708 His brother is Mayo. 111 00:09:44,876 --> 00:09:45,752 Correct. 112 00:09:55,345 --> 00:09:59,891 The red poppy, so beautiful and innocent looking. 113 00:10:00,809 --> 00:10:03,395 The red poppy, so beautiful and... 114 00:10:03,978 --> 00:10:06,648 The red poppy, so beautiful and... 115 00:10:06,648 --> 00:10:07,857 ...so beautiful and... 116 00:10:11,277 --> 00:10:13,405 Ismael "el Mayo" Zambada García 117 00:10:13,405 --> 00:10:18,284 started working with drug trafficking in the seventies. 118 00:10:18,284 --> 00:10:23,456 Well, all the people in Sinaloa trafficked some type of marijuana or heroin, 119 00:10:23,456 --> 00:10:24,582 not on a large scale. 120 00:10:28,878 --> 00:10:31,131 I was born in 1961. 121 00:10:32,298 --> 00:10:34,467 {\an8}Being in full adolescence, 122 00:10:34,467 --> 00:10:37,512 {\an8}we weren't talking about drug trafficking, 123 00:10:37,512 --> 00:10:41,349 {\an8}we weren't talking about drug traffickers, of organized crime. 124 00:10:42,267 --> 00:10:44,769 We called them "gomeros". 125 00:10:50,650 --> 00:10:52,736 Why were they called gomeros? 126 00:10:53,361 --> 00:10:56,281 Because the poppies, poppy bulbs, 127 00:10:56,281 --> 00:10:59,784 They grated and released the sap, 128 00:10:59,784 --> 00:11:05,540 which was very thick and constituted in a gummy product. 129 00:11:05,540 --> 00:11:09,461 This is raw opium, known in Spanish as "goma". 130 00:11:09,461 --> 00:11:11,880 And then it was that opium gum 131 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,508 the one they brought from the mountains to the Tierra Blanca colony, 132 00:11:15,508 --> 00:11:20,347 which was where the laboratories were, who then transformed her into a heroine 133 00:11:20,347 --> 00:11:25,602 and that it was going to be exported, Well, illegally to the US. 134 00:11:28,563 --> 00:11:33,026 On the main routes towards the US border, 135 00:11:33,026 --> 00:11:35,945 Mexico installed checkpoints to detect heroin, 136 00:11:35,945 --> 00:11:38,114 instead of destroying crops. 137 00:11:38,114 --> 00:11:41,451 But there is too much traffic and too many places to hide it. 138 00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:44,704 Some Mexican officials complain 139 00:11:44,704 --> 00:11:48,667 that this campaign is extensive and expensive benefits the US 140 00:11:48,667 --> 00:11:50,043 well they say that heroin 141 00:11:50,043 --> 00:11:53,004 It's an American problem. not a Mexican problem. 142 00:11:53,004 --> 00:11:56,049 UNITED STATES OF AMERICA 143 00:12:03,014 --> 00:12:07,769 Government pressure from the United States to Mexico 144 00:12:07,769 --> 00:12:11,064 causes the Mexican army and the federal police 145 00:12:11,064 --> 00:12:13,858 start getting more into Sinaloa. 146 00:12:14,442 --> 00:12:18,279 In the flowering season, 2000 Mexican soldiers 147 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:22,075 they travel through the mountains stop destroying poppy crops 148 00:12:22,075 --> 00:12:25,078 may they find before the flowers are harvested 149 00:12:25,078 --> 00:12:27,247 and converted into opium and heroin 150 00:12:27,247 --> 00:12:30,000 for sale to consumers in the United States. 151 00:12:32,627 --> 00:12:36,798 Who knows how many thousands of soldiers had come to Sinaloa, 152 00:12:36,798 --> 00:12:40,969 They had waged a fierce battle. against drug trafficking 153 00:12:40,969 --> 00:12:43,972 and in particular against the Gomeros. 154 00:12:46,474 --> 00:12:51,312 The then governor of Sinaloa, Alfonso Genaro Calderón, 155 00:12:51,312 --> 00:12:57,569 says that drug trafficking has been eradicated from Sinaloa. 156 00:12:57,569 --> 00:13:03,700 Today, drug trafficking is dead, but laughing. 157 00:13:03,700 --> 00:13:07,329 And today we speak to him as well as the cockroach effect. 158 00:13:12,167 --> 00:13:15,462 Indeed, they left Sinaloa, but they went to Jalisco. 159 00:13:20,717 --> 00:13:23,470 In Jalisco, with the Guadalajara cartel. 160 00:13:24,012 --> 00:13:29,142 And that is where the mastery for the transfer of drugs from Mayo... 161 00:13:30,435 --> 00:13:31,895 is founded. 162 00:13:35,023 --> 00:13:37,400 {\an8}Did your brother start trafficking cocaine? 163 00:13:38,109 --> 00:13:40,570 I was working with cocaine at the time. 164 00:13:41,571 --> 00:13:45,950 With Miguel Félix Gallardo in particular, the Godfather, correct? 165 00:13:47,410 --> 00:13:49,245 Miguel Ángel Félix Gallardo. 166 00:13:50,455 --> 00:13:52,457 After a citizen complaint, 167 00:13:52,457 --> 00:13:56,002 the authorities arrived to a winery north of Los Angeles, 168 00:13:56,002 --> 00:13:59,089 where they performed the greatest cocaine seizure in history. 169 00:14:01,299 --> 00:14:03,468 In the mid-eighties, 170 00:14:03,468 --> 00:14:08,181 {\an8}started registering huge cocaine seizures 171 00:14:08,181 --> 00:14:10,141 {\an8}in the Los Angeles area. 172 00:14:11,059 --> 00:14:13,311 Researchers believe that cocaine 173 00:14:13,311 --> 00:14:16,314 came from the two Colombian cartels most important. 174 00:14:16,314 --> 00:14:20,151 Miami was thought to be the base of Colombian organizations, 175 00:14:20,735 --> 00:14:24,572 but we realized that there had been an important change. 176 00:14:24,572 --> 00:14:26,241 Do you see the name? 177 00:14:26,241 --> 00:14:27,992 "Smuggler's Blues." 178 00:14:29,995 --> 00:14:34,749 Colombian organizations from drug trafficking they had so many losses 179 00:14:34,749 --> 00:14:39,754 for seizures when trying to introduce Cocaine in Florida 180 00:14:40,338 --> 00:14:42,924 they made a deal with the Guadalajara cartel. 181 00:14:45,051 --> 00:14:47,971 More than half of cocaine entering the US 182 00:14:47,971 --> 00:14:49,347 enter through Mexico. 183 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,727 With the arrival of cocaine in Guadalajara, 184 00:14:53,727 --> 00:14:57,689 they became in the axis of drug trafficking. 185 00:15:00,859 --> 00:15:01,985 Ouch! 186 00:15:03,611 --> 00:15:04,904 Chiquita. 187 00:15:06,656 --> 00:15:08,783 Ismael "el Mayo" Zambada García 188 00:15:08,783 --> 00:15:12,412 He was one of the gunmen of the Guadalajara cartel. 189 00:15:13,288 --> 00:15:16,416 El Chapo was also part of that group. 190 00:15:16,416 --> 00:15:20,003 The love of my life. 191 00:15:20,670 --> 00:15:21,588 Very good! 192 00:15:21,588 --> 00:15:25,717 Mayo always stood out for being a brave man. 193 00:15:25,717 --> 00:15:27,802 For fighting with anyone, 194 00:15:28,887 --> 00:15:29,888 and even beatings. 195 00:15:29,888 --> 00:15:33,141 There is an anecdote from the La Langosta restaurant, 196 00:15:33,933 --> 00:15:35,977 which was in Guadalajara, for seafood. 197 00:15:35,977 --> 00:15:38,063 I never had... 198 00:15:38,063 --> 00:15:42,400 El Mayo hit a group of police officers with fists, 199 00:15:43,318 --> 00:15:46,446 and challenged three of them without guns. 200 00:15:46,446 --> 00:15:48,990 ...poorer than me. 201 00:15:48,990 --> 00:15:49,991 And he gave them. 202 00:16:02,337 --> 00:16:04,964 The American Enrique Camarena Salazar 203 00:16:04,964 --> 00:16:08,426 He traveled to Mexico to fight to international drug traffickers. 204 00:16:08,426 --> 00:16:11,805 Today, the anti-drug agent He was transferred to California with honors. 205 00:16:11,805 --> 00:16:14,349 A hero in a coffin covered with the flag. 206 00:16:15,934 --> 00:16:19,979 In February 1985, the Guadalajara cartel 207 00:16:19,979 --> 00:16:23,692 kidnapped and murdered to a DEA agent, Kiki Camarena. 208 00:16:26,695 --> 00:16:29,948 The US government I needed to send a strong message: 209 00:16:29,948 --> 00:16:35,203 if you kidnap, murder or hurt to a DEA agent, 210 00:16:35,203 --> 00:16:36,871 The US would go for you. 211 00:16:36,871 --> 00:16:38,665 Wherever you are, 212 00:16:38,665 --> 00:16:42,502 we will find you and take you before American justice. 213 00:16:46,715 --> 00:16:51,136 {\an8}Between 85 and 89, somehow, 214 00:16:51,136 --> 00:16:55,932 {\an8}the Mexican government is forced to beheaded 215 00:16:55,932 --> 00:17:01,813 {\an8}with the imprisonment of the leaders of drug trafficking to that corporation. 216 00:17:03,148 --> 00:17:04,733 In less than a week, 217 00:17:04,733 --> 00:17:07,944 two of the three leaders of the Mexican cartel "La Familia" 218 00:17:07,944 --> 00:17:11,114 they were captured and now they are behind bars. 219 00:17:13,199 --> 00:17:15,994 The triumvirate in Guadalajara disappeared. 220 00:17:16,494 --> 00:17:20,332 Mayo and Chapo returned to Sinaloa. 221 00:17:20,332 --> 00:17:23,460 They arrived in Culiacán. 222 00:17:23,460 --> 00:17:26,629 And they enter the mountains. 223 00:17:26,629 --> 00:17:29,632 But with everything they had already learned, 224 00:17:29,632 --> 00:17:32,385 eh, especially May, 225 00:17:32,385 --> 00:17:34,304 eh, he replied very well. 226 00:17:35,096 --> 00:17:40,977 The big difference since then he never liked the spotlight 227 00:17:41,728 --> 00:17:44,981 and always knew 228 00:17:44,981 --> 00:17:46,608 that the character of his compadre, 229 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,238 the ambition he had to take over of the territories to transfer drugs, 230 00:17:52,238 --> 00:17:54,657 They were going to cause problems for the business. 231 00:18:05,043 --> 00:18:07,420 It was a normal day. 232 00:18:07,420 --> 00:18:11,966 As always, they got rid power struggles between cartels. 233 00:18:11,966 --> 00:18:16,721 At that moment, El Chapo He was at war with the Arellanos. 234 00:18:18,014 --> 00:18:20,558 El Chapo was heading to the airport. 235 00:18:20,558 --> 00:18:26,564 {\an8}And Cardinal Posadas Ocampo I was also going to the airport. 236 00:18:26,564 --> 00:18:29,567 At the same time. What a coincidence! 237 00:18:34,114 --> 00:18:37,826 And in the parking lot a shootout broke out. 238 00:18:47,836 --> 00:18:50,296 Truly tragic news 239 00:18:50,296 --> 00:18:54,926 of recorded events in Guadalajara, in the capital of Jalisco. 240 00:18:54,926 --> 00:18:57,804 El Chapo escapes, the cardinal dies. 241 00:18:59,097 --> 00:19:04,269 But they would attribute to El Chapo the death of the cardinal. 242 00:19:05,228 --> 00:19:10,108 {\an8}Fifteen million pesos, equivalent to five million dollars, 243 00:19:10,108 --> 00:19:12,694 {\an8}for people that provide information 244 00:19:12,694 --> 00:19:16,322 {\an8}leading to capture of drug traffickers 245 00:19:16,322 --> 00:19:20,493 {\an8} Joaquín Guzmán Loera, aka El Chapo Guzmán. 246 00:19:21,411 --> 00:19:23,455 Joaquín "el Chapo" Guzmán 247 00:19:23,455 --> 00:19:26,249 was captured on the Talisman International Bridge 248 00:19:26,249 --> 00:19:29,252 on the Suchiate River, in Guatemala territory. 249 00:19:29,252 --> 00:19:32,047 Then, it was delivered to the Mexican authorities. 250 00:19:32,047 --> 00:19:35,550 The objective who is now in custody in Mexico 251 00:19:35,550 --> 00:19:38,595 it was Joaquín Guzmán, a drug trafficker from Sinaloa. 252 00:19:41,765 --> 00:19:44,726 From there, everyone knew his name. 253 00:19:44,726 --> 00:19:47,437 - Chapo Guzmán. - Chapo... 254 00:19:47,437 --> 00:19:50,148 - El Chapo. - El Chapo. 255 00:19:50,148 --> 00:19:52,150 - Are you involved in drugs? - No. 256 00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:55,153 - What do you do? - I am a farmer. 257 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:02,535 The assassination of the cardinal Posadas Ocampo was a turning point 258 00:20:02,535 --> 00:20:07,040 in the trajectory of May and Chapo Guzmán Loera. 259 00:20:07,832 --> 00:20:11,753 Chapo Guzmán arrested in 1993 260 00:20:11,753 --> 00:20:15,882 and they send him to Puente Grande prison. 261 00:20:15,882 --> 00:20:18,635 And he was held there for eight years. 262 00:20:19,969 --> 00:20:24,474 So in those eight years is that Mayo Zambada 263 00:20:24,474 --> 00:20:29,813 turns your head and the coordinator with the most responsibility 264 00:20:29,813 --> 00:20:33,024 of leading to the Sinaloa cartel. 265 00:20:34,025 --> 00:20:36,528 And, at that time, 266 00:20:36,528 --> 00:20:40,365 Mayo Zambada was in charge of co-opting 267 00:20:40,365 --> 00:20:43,535 and make an agreement with the governors of Sinaloa 268 00:20:44,035 --> 00:20:48,498 and with the mayors and with the heads of the military zone. 269 00:20:48,999 --> 00:20:53,920 Sinaloa I think it is the clearest example 270 00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:59,592 of, say, a governor in the real shadow 271 00:20:59,592 --> 00:21:01,720 whose name is Ismael "Mayo" Zambada. 272 00:21:10,603 --> 00:21:14,816 {\an8}What did your brother, Mayo, tell you? about the release of the accused from prison? 273 00:21:16,067 --> 00:21:19,779 In mid-January 2001, my brother arrived at my house in Acapulco. 274 00:21:21,865 --> 00:21:25,160 {\an8} We are now in Acapulco, Mexico. 275 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,954 {\an8}Looking down from the hill. Wow! 276 00:21:27,954 --> 00:21:30,665 {\an8}JANUARY 17, 2001 1:22:17 P.M. 277 00:21:31,833 --> 00:21:33,460 {\an8}JANUARY 17, 2001 2:01:05 P.M. 278 00:21:35,003 --> 00:21:38,965 {\an8}He told me: "We have to go because my friend Chapo is getting out of jail." 279 00:21:39,549 --> 00:21:41,718 I asked him: "When is it coming out?" 280 00:21:41,718 --> 00:21:44,095 And he told me: "He's going to run away." 281 00:21:50,018 --> 00:21:51,519 After eight years in prison, 282 00:21:51,519 --> 00:21:54,647 the boss would star a film leak. 283 00:21:56,775 --> 00:21:59,527 Guzmán escaped from Mexican authorities 284 00:21:59,527 --> 00:22:01,821 with money, bribes and a laundry truck. 285 00:22:05,241 --> 00:22:09,412 One of the key moments in the history of the Sinaloa cartel: 286 00:22:09,954 --> 00:22:13,708 El Chapo just escaped from prison for the first time. 287 00:22:14,209 --> 00:22:18,129 It's in its moment weaker and more vulnerable. 288 00:22:19,047 --> 00:22:21,174 He's been locked up for years. 289 00:22:21,675 --> 00:22:23,593 And the law is after him. 290 00:22:25,178 --> 00:22:27,013 {\an8}Well, who do you turn to? 291 00:22:27,013 --> 00:22:30,058 To the boss of bosses, to his compadre. 292 00:22:30,767 --> 00:22:33,228 Ismael "el Mayo" Zambada. 293 00:22:35,772 --> 00:22:38,483 {\an8}My brother asked me to find a safe place 294 00:22:38,483 --> 00:22:40,568 {\an8}where a helicopter could land. 295 00:22:42,612 --> 00:22:45,240 At seven in the morning, the helicopter appeared. 296 00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:48,576 And El Chapo came in it. 297 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,787 My brother was happy. 298 00:22:52,330 --> 00:22:56,167 There was an interesting dynamic. between these two leaders at that time. 299 00:22:57,002 --> 00:22:58,753 Mayo had the advantage. 300 00:23:00,755 --> 00:23:06,302 {\an8}My friend Chapo said that, at this moment, he was not doing well financially. 301 00:23:08,638 --> 00:23:12,976 May sees an opportunity to consolidate his power. 302 00:23:12,976 --> 00:23:17,897 And he decides to back Chapo with money. 303 00:23:19,399 --> 00:23:21,776 My compadre Chapo thanked him 304 00:23:21,776 --> 00:23:23,445 and they agreed that, from now on, 305 00:23:24,571 --> 00:23:27,157 "of each kilo of cocaine that you receive from Colombia, 306 00:23:27,157 --> 00:23:28,575 I'm going to give you half." 307 00:23:29,492 --> 00:23:33,163 In other words, at that moment, they became partners. 308 00:23:38,877 --> 00:23:42,213 Checking the date, that's when it grows... 309 00:23:43,965 --> 00:23:46,051 notably 310 00:23:46,051 --> 00:23:49,095 control of territories and the transfer of drugs in Mexico. 311 00:23:54,642 --> 00:23:56,853 If the US drowns in cocaine, 312 00:23:56,853 --> 00:23:58,646 Mexico opened the floodgates. 313 00:24:03,735 --> 00:24:05,779 Agents assure that they sent it 314 00:24:05,779 --> 00:24:07,572 in every way imaginable. 315 00:24:07,572 --> 00:24:13,370 One year they hid cocaine in cans of jalapeno peppers. 316 00:24:13,370 --> 00:24:17,707 The following year, in plaster statues of Jesus. 317 00:24:17,707 --> 00:24:20,877 They say his men were hiding cocaine 318 00:24:20,877 --> 00:24:24,381 in hollowed cucumbers and bananas, in thousands of them. 319 00:24:24,381 --> 00:24:27,717 From then on, Mayo and Chapo 320 00:24:28,385 --> 00:24:32,597 They formed one of the alliances most successful criminals 321 00:24:33,348 --> 00:24:35,225 of the history of organized crime. 322 00:24:56,830 --> 00:24:59,916 - Good. Only your silhouette is seen. - Wow! Alright. 323 00:24:59,916 --> 00:25:01,876 - Is that okay? Yeah? - Yes, it looks good. 324 00:25:01,876 --> 00:25:03,837 I should comb my hair, right? 325 00:25:07,882 --> 00:25:11,886 My name is Margarito Flores. I was born and raised in Chicago, 326 00:25:11,886 --> 00:25:14,556 in a neighborhood called Little Village. 327 00:25:14,556 --> 00:25:16,975 I have an identical twin whose name is Pedro. 328 00:25:19,102 --> 00:25:20,228 SEIZED HEROIN 329 00:25:21,521 --> 00:25:23,606 my father was a known drug trafficker. 330 00:25:23,606 --> 00:25:24,482 5 KG OF HEROIN 331 00:25:25,191 --> 00:25:26,568 We helped him. 332 00:25:28,236 --> 00:25:32,198 From harvest, packaging and the burden of marijuana 333 00:25:32,198 --> 00:25:33,491 in the gas tank. 334 00:25:34,826 --> 00:25:39,039 He taught us how to compress marijuana in very small packages. 335 00:25:39,831 --> 00:25:43,335 He taught us how to use a scale triple arm from a very young age. 336 00:25:43,335 --> 00:25:45,211 We didn't even have eight. 337 00:25:48,048 --> 00:25:50,425 For our family, That upbringing was normal. 338 00:25:51,384 --> 00:25:53,553 We started in 1998. 339 00:25:53,553 --> 00:25:56,639 We made our first million before 18. 340 00:25:56,639 --> 00:25:58,641 And that life caught us. 341 00:26:02,145 --> 00:26:06,316 We moved between 1800 and 2200 kilos of cocaine per month 342 00:26:06,316 --> 00:26:08,735 in the Chicago area and nearby cities, 343 00:26:08,735 --> 00:26:11,738 like Minneapolis, Milwaukee and St. Louis. 344 00:26:12,614 --> 00:26:17,494 {\an8}We had a system in which we received between 300 and 400 kilos every three days 345 00:26:17,494 --> 00:26:18,745 {\an8}of the Sinaloa cartel. 346 00:26:20,372 --> 00:26:23,583 As? we met in the parking lot of a Denny's 347 00:26:23,583 --> 00:26:24,626 at 6 a.m. m. 348 00:26:25,210 --> 00:26:26,878 The truck was parked 349 00:26:26,878 --> 00:26:29,673 with the keys in the visor or under the mat. 350 00:26:29,673 --> 00:26:33,176 It was a very strange truck. It looked like kidnappers. 351 00:26:33,176 --> 00:26:34,886 And my brother hated her 352 00:26:34,886 --> 00:26:37,430 because I felt that attracted too much attention. 353 00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:41,643 We got into the truck, We were going to unload the drugs, 354 00:26:41,643 --> 00:26:45,063 we returned it to the same place and we were leaving. 355 00:26:46,272 --> 00:26:48,358 After September 11, 356 00:26:48,358 --> 00:26:50,568 Cocaine prices skyrocketed. 357 00:26:50,568 --> 00:26:55,407 My brother and I had a winery with a huge amount of kilos. 358 00:26:55,407 --> 00:26:57,951 And we take advantage of it. 359 00:26:57,951 --> 00:27:02,580 That was the point we passed from being common drug traffickers 360 00:27:02,580 --> 00:27:06,376 to convert some of the most important. 361 00:27:06,376 --> 00:27:08,920 We admired Chapo and Mayo. 362 00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:13,258 Just like the kids growing up in Chicago They admired Michael Jordan. 363 00:27:13,258 --> 00:27:15,385 They were our Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen. 364 00:27:16,011 --> 00:27:21,683 We had offered a million dollars whoever introduced us to Mayo or Chapo. 365 00:27:22,726 --> 00:27:27,105 In hindsight it's like they say: "Be careful what you wish for." 366 00:27:34,612 --> 00:27:36,573 {\an8}Pedro and Margarito Flores 367 00:27:36,573 --> 00:27:40,744 {\an8}were well known to the authorities from Chicago for a long time. 368 00:27:40,744 --> 00:27:44,205 They were of age of some drug sellers, 369 00:27:44,205 --> 00:27:47,834 but its operation It was, that is, impressive for its size. 370 00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:49,836 How much money did they earn? 371 00:27:49,836 --> 00:27:51,921 Eh, a lot. 372 00:27:51,921 --> 00:27:55,216 That is equivalent to billions of dollars. 373 00:27:58,678 --> 00:28:00,889 They received large shipments, 374 00:28:00,889 --> 00:28:03,391 They brought them safely into the United States. 375 00:28:03,391 --> 00:28:07,062 and then they divided them into quantities easier to transport. 376 00:28:10,148 --> 00:28:13,443 The most shocking It was how effective everything was. 377 00:28:14,903 --> 00:28:18,823 and that almost all the drugs entered through legal ports. 378 00:28:20,116 --> 00:28:23,370 Not only in Chicago, but throughout the United States. 379 00:28:23,370 --> 00:28:26,373 So, very soon, rose within the cartel 380 00:28:26,373 --> 00:28:29,709 and, so to speak, they became in preferred customers 381 00:28:29,709 --> 00:28:31,211 of the Sinaloa cartel. 382 00:28:40,345 --> 00:28:41,971 {\an8}BORDER PATROL 383 00:28:45,392 --> 00:28:48,228 I took office on September 11, 2001. 384 00:28:48,228 --> 00:28:51,356 They hired me as a special agent US Customs 385 00:28:51,356 --> 00:28:54,192 to combat drug trafficking and money laundering. 386 00:28:54,192 --> 00:28:55,902 POLICE US CUSTOMS 387 00:28:55,902 --> 00:28:59,364 {\an8}The Sinaloa cartel controlled most of the border 388 00:28:59,364 --> 00:29:02,200 {\an8}between Mexico and the US. since the 90s. 389 00:29:03,868 --> 00:29:08,915 In 92 or 93 they discovered the first drug tunnel in Douglas, Arizona. 390 00:29:08,915 --> 00:29:12,419 Authorities say it appears a James Bond movie. 391 00:29:12,419 --> 00:29:15,213 Named "Cocaine Alley." 392 00:29:15,213 --> 00:29:18,550 {\an8}An underground tunnel as long as a football field 393 00:29:18,550 --> 00:29:20,468 {\an8}that connects Mexico and Arizona. 394 00:29:20,468 --> 00:29:24,139 I was under a pool table mounted on a platform. 395 00:29:26,307 --> 00:29:29,144 This showed the magnitude of the volume of drugs 396 00:29:29,144 --> 00:29:32,063 that the Sinaloa cartel could be smuggled in. 397 00:29:32,063 --> 00:29:34,816 {\an8}They had to count with great financial backing 398 00:29:34,816 --> 00:29:37,235 {\an8}and have been trafficking drugs for a long time. 399 00:29:37,235 --> 00:29:38,486 {\an8} Thank you, Yvette. 400 00:29:38,486 --> 00:29:42,032 And also the ingenuity that was behind everything. 401 00:29:42,615 --> 00:29:45,952 When they weren't using it to traffic drugs, 402 00:29:45,952 --> 00:29:47,746 smugglers flooded it. 403 00:29:47,746 --> 00:29:50,332 {\an8}If we approached with technology to detect it, 404 00:29:50,332 --> 00:29:52,876 {\an8}if it was flooded, It would look like an underground stream. 405 00:29:52,876 --> 00:29:57,005 It is a work of engineering extremely sophisticated. 406 00:30:09,642 --> 00:30:12,854 Our responsibility was to determine who controlled 407 00:30:12,854 --> 00:30:16,149 the most important sections of the US-Mexico border. 408 00:30:16,149 --> 00:30:17,442 Who made the money 409 00:30:17,442 --> 00:30:20,445 and who was behind of homicides and kidnappings. 410 00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:23,907 Mayo Zambada had been doing this for decades. 411 00:30:23,907 --> 00:30:26,659 People knew who he was, but it was very strategic. 412 00:30:26,659 --> 00:30:29,829 I wasn't in the public eye, There were no photos of him either. 413 00:30:29,829 --> 00:30:32,332 Yes, there were drug murders who pointed it out, 414 00:30:32,332 --> 00:30:35,543 but it was convenient for him that El Chapo will grab attention 415 00:30:35,543 --> 00:30:38,797 because that's how it could operate with much more freedom. 416 00:30:38,797 --> 00:30:41,758 They did what was necessary to traffic drugs. 417 00:30:41,758 --> 00:30:44,594 We, what is necessary to catch and imprison them. 418 00:30:46,262 --> 00:30:48,014 It was a game of cat and mouse. 419 00:30:54,104 --> 00:30:57,357 Chicago police achieved his largest cocaine seizure. 420 00:30:57,357 --> 00:30:59,818 They seized more two tons of drugs. 421 00:30:59,818 --> 00:31:05,115 One day I turned on the television and a breaking news appeared. 422 00:31:05,115 --> 00:31:08,952 A seizure of 2000 kilos in the Denny's parking lot. 423 00:31:08,952 --> 00:31:12,163 Largest cocaine seizure in the history of the city. 424 00:31:12,163 --> 00:31:16,501 With value in the streets of almost 240 million dollars. 425 00:31:16,501 --> 00:31:19,004 Today, three men are detained 426 00:31:19,004 --> 00:31:21,339 with a bail of 500 million dollars. 427 00:31:21,339 --> 00:31:24,718 Those who supplied us They had just been arrested. 428 00:31:26,011 --> 00:31:29,764 And they showed the truck about which we complained so much. 429 00:31:30,348 --> 00:31:33,893 We got rid of the phones, the vehicles and the safe house. 430 00:31:36,604 --> 00:31:41,693 And we accept that we would have to hide in Mexico. 431 00:31:47,782 --> 00:31:49,534 When we arrived in Mexico, 432 00:31:49,534 --> 00:31:52,245 we start working with a friend of my father, Lupe. 433 00:31:53,413 --> 00:31:57,083 He became in our main supplier of cocaine. 434 00:31:59,127 --> 00:32:02,464 But we start to have problems and disagreements 435 00:32:02,464 --> 00:32:06,092 and we finish the business relationship with him. 436 00:32:06,092 --> 00:32:09,179 That made Lupe angry. 437 00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:15,185 And, in April 2005, He asked to meet my brother. 438 00:32:18,855 --> 00:32:23,109 And they violently kidnapped him. 439 00:32:26,112 --> 00:32:28,365 Days later I received a call. 440 00:32:28,365 --> 00:32:32,243 A man said that, if he didn't pay 10 million, 441 00:32:32,243 --> 00:32:33,787 They would kill my brother. 442 00:32:35,622 --> 00:32:39,501 I hung up, I was on the road towards Sinaloa. 443 00:32:41,503 --> 00:32:44,255 They put me in an armored truck 444 00:32:44,798 --> 00:32:47,759 and they took me to the outskirts of Culiacán, to a corn field. 445 00:32:53,014 --> 00:32:56,935 They took the plane out, One turned it on and told me: 446 00:32:56,935 --> 00:32:59,562 "Now, let's go." It was him, the pilot and me. 447 00:33:03,483 --> 00:33:05,485 He told me: "You'll be fine, come up." 448 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:08,363 And we take off. 449 00:33:16,454 --> 00:33:20,250 We are heading towards the mountains of Sinaloa. 450 00:33:26,589 --> 00:33:30,719 I started to get nervous. I thought, "Oh, maybe I won't come back." 451 00:33:40,061 --> 00:33:43,773 It was a hillside and we landed uphill. 452 00:33:47,610 --> 00:33:51,322 When you reach the end of the track, There were several armed men. 453 00:33:52,574 --> 00:33:54,909 Hitmen with military uniforms. 454 00:33:56,619 --> 00:33:59,039 They were sitting. It was very hot. 455 00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:01,708 It was summer in Sinaloa. 456 00:34:05,628 --> 00:34:10,884 They took me to a man who walked from one side to the other. 457 00:34:12,886 --> 00:34:13,720 El Chapo. 458 00:34:17,849 --> 00:34:22,145 I was impressed. I couldn't believe I was meeting him. 459 00:34:22,729 --> 00:34:25,940 He glanced at me in passing and then looked at me again. 460 00:34:27,233 --> 00:34:30,945 Like, "Who is he?" I thought he was waiting for me. 461 00:34:31,613 --> 00:34:34,949 I told him: "I'm Margarito Flores, "I come for my brother." 462 00:34:36,910 --> 00:34:38,536 He just nodded. 463 00:34:38,536 --> 00:34:40,955 And he said, "Do you have money to pay?" 464 00:34:42,374 --> 00:34:47,045 I answered him: "Well, I don't owe the 10 million." 465 00:34:47,045 --> 00:34:49,214 And he told me: "That's what everyone says." 466 00:34:49,881 --> 00:34:55,804 I told him: "Well, I move, on average, 2200 kilos a month for you. 467 00:34:55,804 --> 00:35:00,558 I make the payments, I receive the drugs and I take care of everything." 468 00:35:01,142 --> 00:35:03,186 And he said, "That's not what Lupe says. 469 00:35:03,978 --> 00:35:07,065 Lupe says you owe him the money and you don't want to pay." 470 00:35:09,234 --> 00:35:11,986 And he told me: "I don't care about 10 million. 471 00:35:11,986 --> 00:35:15,323 For me, it's nothing to kill you and your brother and resolve this." 472 00:35:21,204 --> 00:35:22,914 And I told him: 473 00:35:22,914 --> 00:35:24,791 "Sir, with all due respect. 474 00:35:24,791 --> 00:35:28,461 I thought this It was a word business. 475 00:35:28,461 --> 00:35:30,255 I just have my word. 476 00:35:30,255 --> 00:35:31,923 "I'm here for my brother." 477 00:35:35,427 --> 00:35:37,137 And he kept looking at me. 478 00:35:40,181 --> 00:35:42,600 And he crossed his arms like that. 479 00:35:43,351 --> 00:35:47,522 He asked me: "Are you and your brother identical twins?" 480 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:49,858 I said, "Yes, sir." 481 00:35:50,525 --> 00:35:53,111 "And they look very similar?" 482 00:35:54,070 --> 00:35:55,655 I said, “He looks like me. 483 00:35:56,656 --> 00:35:58,241 But it's a little uglier." 484 00:35:59,659 --> 00:36:03,413 I said it to break the ice. And he laughed. 485 00:36:03,413 --> 00:36:06,583 He said: "I just lost my brother. 486 00:36:06,583 --> 00:36:09,961 There is no money in the world May your brother's life be worth it. 487 00:36:11,129 --> 00:36:13,131 Pay the 10 million, come back, 488 00:36:13,131 --> 00:36:15,508 and we will continue working together." 489 00:36:15,508 --> 00:36:18,053 And they freed my brother. 490 00:36:27,645 --> 00:36:30,398 Five days later, I received another call. 491 00:36:31,441 --> 00:36:33,818 He said: "The boss is waiting for you." 492 00:36:34,319 --> 00:36:36,196 We went to Culiacán. 493 00:36:40,241 --> 00:36:44,329 I remember that the property had walls of at least five meters. 494 00:36:45,830 --> 00:36:50,043 When the doors opened, There were about 12 or 14 men. 495 00:36:53,505 --> 00:36:55,924 But I saw a hat. 496 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,013 I knew immediately it was him. 497 00:37:05,183 --> 00:37:08,770 He shook my hand and said: "Ismael 'el Mayo' Zambada. 498 00:37:08,770 --> 00:37:11,523 I finally meet the famous twins. 499 00:37:12,273 --> 00:37:16,611 "My God, they are identical," he said. "Which of the two did we have tied up? 500 00:37:16,611 --> 00:37:20,865 It has to be you! Look at you! How do you feel? How many kilos do you sell?" 501 00:37:20,865 --> 00:37:23,368 And we told him, and he: 502 00:37:23,368 --> 00:37:27,288 "Imagine if you were triplets. "Imagine how much money they would make." 503 00:37:27,872 --> 00:37:31,251 He told everyone: "Look, these men are special. 504 00:37:31,251 --> 00:37:35,547 Move that amount of drugs In the US it is impossible. 505 00:37:35,547 --> 00:37:38,049 I tried, and I am Mayo Zambada." 506 00:37:38,633 --> 00:37:42,137 That's when I knew we were at the top of drug trafficking. 507 00:37:42,137 --> 00:37:46,516 Many traffickers say: "I am Chapo Guzmán's people." 508 00:37:46,516 --> 00:37:50,770 But to say that you were people from Mayo Zambada were different. 509 00:37:50,770 --> 00:37:53,189 That was the team you wanted to be on. 510 00:37:55,817 --> 00:37:58,695 We earn your respect in business. 511 00:37:59,195 --> 00:38:04,075 "You look a lot like me," he said. "I have been Mayo Zambada for more than 30 years." 512 00:38:04,075 --> 00:38:06,494 Sometimes he talked about himself in third person. 513 00:38:08,496 --> 00:38:13,335 He didn't talk about it with pride. He said it as a fact. 514 00:38:13,335 --> 00:38:16,129 As if to say: "That's why I'm Mayo Zambada." 515 00:38:16,629 --> 00:38:19,924 Without a doubt, he knew exactly who he was. 516 00:38:20,759 --> 00:38:22,802 - Hey, my friend. - Tell me. 517 00:38:22,802 --> 00:38:26,431 - And are you from Sinaloa? - No, buddy. Sinaloa is mine. 518 00:38:35,315 --> 00:38:39,152 They nickname him the MZ. 519 00:38:39,152 --> 00:38:42,197 Others call him Godfather. 520 00:38:42,781 --> 00:38:46,201 You already know his name 521 00:38:46,201 --> 00:38:49,037 even newborns. 522 00:38:49,913 --> 00:38:53,249 {\an8}They look for him everywhere, 523 00:38:53,249 --> 00:38:56,753 and the man is not even hidden. 524 00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:23,446 El Mayo Zambada, he was from a different school 525 00:39:23,446 --> 00:39:29,077 with a different thought regarding criminal work. 526 00:39:32,747 --> 00:39:34,457 {\an8}So, 527 00:39:34,457 --> 00:39:36,668 {\an8}our intelligence work, 528 00:39:36,668 --> 00:39:40,422 {\an8}when we did it in a compartmentalized way... 529 00:39:43,049 --> 00:39:47,262 The fewer people I knew of our intentions, 530 00:39:47,262 --> 00:39:49,264 we could achieve the surprise. 531 00:39:52,100 --> 00:39:54,477 We left early, at six in the morning, 532 00:39:54,477 --> 00:39:57,439 and we changed the route along the way. 533 00:39:58,982 --> 00:40:02,068 Every time we went down, there was no one. 534 00:40:02,569 --> 00:40:03,945 Everyone had already left. 535 00:40:06,448 --> 00:40:12,579 It generated a certain effect of helplessness in us, some frustration. 536 00:40:13,288 --> 00:40:19,377 People have no idea how difficult it is 537 00:40:19,377 --> 00:40:21,588 carry out an operation of this type. 538 00:40:25,467 --> 00:40:30,096 I mean, it seems, eh, incredible to think about, but... 539 00:40:31,681 --> 00:40:34,476 we didn't have a picture by Ismael Zambada García. 540 00:40:37,729 --> 00:40:40,857 - It's insured, they've already taken it down. - It seems that one is missing. 541 00:40:45,153 --> 00:40:49,699 in an operation which was done in 2001, 542 00:40:51,076 --> 00:40:55,789 my people found images that they left them in a vehicle 543 00:40:56,373 --> 00:41:01,378 which, we estimate, was there being used by Mayo Zambada. 544 00:41:01,378 --> 00:41:06,508 And that's where we had an image of his face. 545 00:41:07,842 --> 00:41:11,554 {\an8}Why was the credential from Zambada García in your truck? 546 00:41:11,554 --> 00:41:14,057 {\an8}- Because he left her there. - Because? 547 00:41:14,057 --> 00:41:17,227 {\an8}-He left her there. - So, he was with you? 548 00:41:17,227 --> 00:41:19,396 - Yes, he walked. Yes it was. - Yeah? 549 00:41:19,396 --> 00:41:22,732 A credential that had his photo and with another name, obviously. 550 00:41:22,732 --> 00:41:25,318 That will be it, right? The one below? 551 00:41:25,318 --> 00:41:26,903 - Let's see. - Look. 552 00:41:27,821 --> 00:41:31,074 - Was it this? - That. Exactly. 553 00:41:38,623 --> 00:41:41,751 Before he was like a ghost. 554 00:41:42,252 --> 00:41:44,713 But now we knew it did exist. 555 00:41:45,964 --> 00:41:50,218 The act of counting with an image, and very recent... 556 00:41:50,218 --> 00:41:53,013 Well, this is essential. 557 00:41:53,013 --> 00:41:58,143 In order to reach its culmination, which is to apprehend them. 558 00:42:02,147 --> 00:42:05,400 Do you want to see the face of evil? Here you have it. 559 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:09,988 The DEA says he is one of the drug traffickers more violent and richer. 560 00:42:09,988 --> 00:42:14,492 And he'll do whatever, whatever to gain and retain power. 561 00:42:14,492 --> 00:42:18,330 The Mexican police he says it looks like this photo. 562 00:42:18,330 --> 00:42:21,499 The DEA placed his image in huge spectaculars 563 00:42:21,499 --> 00:42:25,086 on the highways between Tucson and Phoenix, Arizona. 564 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:27,297 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE 565 00:42:28,298 --> 00:42:31,593 Today, the Department of Justice announces 566 00:42:31,593 --> 00:42:35,138 the accusation against Ismael Zambada García 567 00:42:35,138 --> 00:42:38,099 for conspiring to import and distribute cocaine. 568 00:42:38,850 --> 00:42:41,519 {\an8}Where is Zambada García? 569 00:42:41,519 --> 00:42:44,022 {\an8}He is believed to be in Mexico. 570 00:42:44,981 --> 00:42:48,610 But he is not detained in Mexico. 571 00:42:48,610 --> 00:42:51,946 Do you think they were close to capture him during this investigation? 572 00:42:51,946 --> 00:42:54,282 We don't believe we have had... 573 00:42:56,618 --> 00:43:00,747 a real chance to capture it. 574 00:43:00,747 --> 00:43:05,794 The Mexican authorities They arrested several people, 575 00:43:05,794 --> 00:43:08,463 but Zambada García was not among them. 576 00:43:08,463 --> 00:43:09,756 Yes sir? 577 00:43:17,389 --> 00:43:19,516 Namaste. Namaste. 578 00:43:19,516 --> 00:43:24,145 We carry out many operations to achieve his capture. 579 00:43:25,230 --> 00:43:26,856 Through intelligence, 580 00:43:26,856 --> 00:43:28,650 we were able to know 581 00:43:28,650 --> 00:43:31,778 that Ismael used to go... 582 00:43:31,778 --> 00:43:35,782 Every day that spring began, 583 00:43:35,782 --> 00:43:39,411 I used to go to Chichen Itza. 584 00:43:42,497 --> 00:43:45,792 Welcome to Chichen Itza, in southern Mexico. 585 00:43:45,792 --> 00:43:49,671 Today we celebrate Sun Earth Day, and the spring equinox. 586 00:43:51,673 --> 00:43:53,174 It was very mystical. 587 00:43:53,842 --> 00:43:59,139 He used to go and receive the rays and all the energy and so on. 588 00:44:00,724 --> 00:44:03,143 many people say we don't find anything here, 589 00:44:03,143 --> 00:44:06,229 but if we go up on the pillar of the pyramid... 590 00:44:06,229 --> 00:44:08,690 That's why it tends the energy down, 591 00:44:08,690 --> 00:44:10,775 and we are going to receive it in all of this here. 592 00:44:13,069 --> 00:44:15,822 So, we did an operation there. 593 00:44:17,574 --> 00:44:21,578 We went like tourists with shorts, with a cap. 594 00:44:21,578 --> 00:44:26,124 We all spread out around the pyramid of Chichen Itza. 595 00:44:26,875 --> 00:44:29,794 We went to try to capture him. 596 00:44:30,378 --> 00:44:31,713 - Oh? - Have you already seen? 597 00:44:31,713 --> 00:44:34,090 Look, there are the police. Up there. 598 00:44:35,342 --> 00:44:37,010 Yes, the police. 599 00:44:38,970 --> 00:44:41,514 Unfortunately there were thousands of people. 600 00:44:43,099 --> 00:44:46,227 Look at Kukulcán. Here it comes! 601 00:44:46,227 --> 00:44:48,355 Let's look at Kukulcán! 602 00:44:49,064 --> 00:44:51,775 People are going crazy! 603 00:44:51,775 --> 00:44:55,612 We don't know if it was or on that occasion he did not come 604 00:44:56,613 --> 00:44:59,616 to the custom he carried out. 605 00:45:00,575 --> 00:45:04,371 But, that time, I don't know if... 606 00:45:04,371 --> 00:45:05,372 We didn't see it. 607 00:45:17,634 --> 00:45:22,430 I think what made it unique Mayo Zambada was its simplicity. 608 00:45:24,933 --> 00:45:26,935 Mayo was like a cowboy. 609 00:45:27,894 --> 00:45:33,942 He loved ranch life: the cattle, the bulls, the horses and the countryside. 610 00:45:35,193 --> 00:45:37,404 Once we went to a ranch 611 00:45:37,404 --> 00:45:42,701 and had bought some Swiss bulls very expensive, a million dollars. 612 00:45:42,701 --> 00:45:46,037 I was very happy. Like a child with a new toy. 613 00:45:46,788 --> 00:45:50,000 He came closer and said, "Look. "These are eggs." 614 00:45:52,544 --> 00:45:54,754 And he grabbed the bulls' testicles. 615 00:45:54,754 --> 00:45:59,050 That is, with both hands. They were huge! 616 00:46:09,561 --> 00:46:11,896 {\an8}Mayo Zambada had many children. 617 00:46:12,981 --> 00:46:14,399 Vicente Zambada. 618 00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,694 Ismael, Fat Mayito, 619 00:46:17,694 --> 00:46:19,779 Ismael, the Skinny Mayito, 620 00:46:21,448 --> 00:46:23,908 and his youngest son, named Seraphim. 621 00:46:26,077 --> 00:46:31,124 {\an8}El Chapo Guzmán had at least six children with different women. 622 00:46:31,708 --> 00:46:36,755 With Griselda He had Ovid, Joachim and Edgar. 623 00:46:36,755 --> 00:46:42,135 And, with Alejandrina, He had Jesús Alfredo and Iván. 624 00:46:42,761 --> 00:46:46,765 In general, everyone looked as one family. 625 00:46:48,350 --> 00:46:51,436 I met Vicente the same day as May. 626 00:46:52,020 --> 00:46:56,274 He got up immediately. He carried an AR-15 on his shoulder. 627 00:46:56,274 --> 00:46:59,444 Mayo Zambada said: "He is my son", proud. 628 00:46:59,444 --> 00:47:00,987 They called him "The Child." 629 00:47:00,987 --> 00:47:04,783 "The Child", not just any child. "The boy." 630 00:47:04,783 --> 00:47:08,286 It was the symbol of that pride of lions. 631 00:47:08,286 --> 00:47:11,164 He knew that, one day, he would be king. 632 00:47:14,084 --> 00:47:18,963 Then I met the other juniors. They didn't look anything like him. 633 00:47:20,757 --> 00:47:25,470 My first reaction when I met to Édgar Guzmán, the son of Chapo, 634 00:47:25,470 --> 00:47:29,099 who was younger and had a defiant attitude, 635 00:47:29,099 --> 00:47:31,226 who made big movements inside the cartel 636 00:47:31,226 --> 00:47:35,021 and he made a name for himself, It was that he was very different from Vicente. 637 00:47:36,690 --> 00:47:41,653 Edgar, the eldest son of Chapo Guzmán, 638 00:47:41,653 --> 00:47:43,363 It was a guy, a young man, 639 00:47:43,363 --> 00:47:48,410 who liked to take advantage and prove that he had money. 640 00:47:48,910 --> 00:47:52,080 There are several stories how he got to the clubs 641 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,667 and I wanted, as we say in Mexico, 642 00:47:55,667 --> 00:47:59,129 take down the girlfriend from the others if he liked the girl. 643 00:47:59,129 --> 00:48:01,214 And he sent to his safety 644 00:48:01,214 --> 00:48:05,969 to tell the young man he was accompanying to the girl he liked 645 00:48:05,969 --> 00:48:10,306 that he had better give in to his companion 646 00:48:10,306 --> 00:48:13,101 because, otherwise, they were going to kill him. 647 00:48:13,101 --> 00:48:17,147 Or at least give him a beating which he would never forget. 648 00:48:20,525 --> 00:48:23,319 They didn't know much about the business or anything like that. 649 00:48:23,319 --> 00:48:25,655 His thing was more the party. 650 00:48:27,574 --> 00:48:33,246 They were younger, they had a great time partying, drinking and using cocaine. 651 00:48:33,246 --> 00:48:37,125 In the end, they were the heirs. They had power and money. 652 00:48:39,085 --> 00:48:43,381 The Zambadas and the Guzmáns They were one family. 653 00:48:43,381 --> 00:48:45,467 It was like a reunion of cousins. 654 00:48:47,302 --> 00:48:51,806 I, for a long time, I thought it was a happy cartel. 655 00:48:51,806 --> 00:48:54,851 But little by little I realized that it was not like that. 656 00:48:57,479 --> 00:49:01,399 At that time, the Sinaloa cartel It was divided into three factions. 657 00:49:01,399 --> 00:49:04,361 The organization of Arturo Beltrán Leyva and his brothers. 658 00:49:04,986 --> 00:49:06,738 The organization of Mayo Zambada. 659 00:49:07,906 --> 00:49:10,033 And the organization of Chapo Guzmán. 660 00:49:10,784 --> 00:49:15,038 We had a business relationship very close with all three. 661 00:49:16,956 --> 00:49:22,504 But there were internal conflicts out of jealousy and drug trafficking routes. 662 00:49:22,504 --> 00:49:25,215 And it was starting to get out of control. 663 00:49:29,302 --> 00:49:32,681 {\an8}Mexicans demand to live in a safe way, 664 00:49:32,681 --> 00:49:35,809 {\an8}in peace, without anxiety and without fear. 665 00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:37,852 Citizens demand that it end 666 00:49:37,852 --> 00:49:41,606 with corruption, impunity and injustice. 667 00:49:41,606 --> 00:49:44,901 People want to recover tranquility and certainty. 668 00:49:46,027 --> 00:49:50,115 Felipe Calderon, when he wins the presidency, 669 00:49:50,115 --> 00:49:53,618 We had, uh, a very complicated moment 670 00:49:53,618 --> 00:49:58,748 for the explosion of very strong violence. 671 00:49:58,748 --> 00:50:02,919 There were already four wars in progress. 672 00:50:03,503 --> 00:50:06,256 {\an8}Executions that are recorded daily 673 00:50:06,256 --> 00:50:09,009 {\an8} are due to rearrangement in the drug cartels 674 00:50:09,009 --> 00:50:10,760 {\an8}and the dispute over territories. 675 00:50:11,720 --> 00:50:18,018 Then a new conflict begins. of the most violent, 676 00:50:18,018 --> 00:50:21,104 with the breakup of the Sinaloa cartel. 677 00:50:22,105 --> 00:50:25,567 They were tied hand and foot with traces of torture. 678 00:50:25,567 --> 00:50:30,363 Three targeted messages were located To Chapo Guzmán and Mayo Zambada. 679 00:50:31,656 --> 00:50:34,993 El Chapo wanted to get rid of of the Beltrán Leyva. 680 00:50:34,993 --> 00:50:41,166 Because? Well, because they were fighting by what is the control of the business. 681 00:50:42,083 --> 00:50:45,670 And he said: "You better I'll put them in front of me." 682 00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:48,131 And send Mochomo to jail. 683 00:50:52,469 --> 00:50:54,637 Alfredo Beltrán Leyva alias "el Mochomo" 684 00:50:54,637 --> 00:50:56,973 is considered as one of the main bosses 685 00:50:56,973 --> 00:50:58,808 in the structure of the organization. 686 00:51:00,810 --> 00:51:05,899 Filtration to stop al Mochomo came from Chapo Guzmán. 687 00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:10,236 It was a scandalous note. 688 00:51:10,987 --> 00:51:15,867 {\an8}What we do not imagine is that this was going to generate a war. 689 00:51:25,585 --> 00:51:28,421 Edgar, who was just over 20 years old, 690 00:51:28,421 --> 00:51:32,801 died shot in a supermarket in Culiacán. 691 00:51:33,635 --> 00:51:35,470 It was an exaggeration. 692 00:51:39,182 --> 00:51:44,813 It was a retaliation for handing over Mochomo to the Mexican authorities. 693 00:51:52,696 --> 00:51:58,535 In a land of anarchy, Edgar felt untouchable. 694 00:52:03,331 --> 00:52:05,083 And maybe it was. 695 00:52:05,083 --> 00:52:06,960 But not among criminals. 696 00:52:11,381 --> 00:52:13,633 Shortly after, I was able to give 697 00:52:13,633 --> 00:52:16,553 condolences to Chapo for the death of his son. 698 00:52:18,346 --> 00:52:22,767 And he was kind of surprised. and said, "Thank you." 699 00:52:22,767 --> 00:52:24,352 Like "Thanks, huh." 700 00:52:30,275 --> 00:52:33,194 The family of the bosses did not touch each other. 701 00:52:33,695 --> 00:52:37,323 And there that unwritten rule was broken. 702 00:52:37,949 --> 00:52:39,951 It is a very quiet city 703 00:52:39,951 --> 00:52:43,663 that, tonight, it became a war zone. 704 00:52:44,664 --> 00:52:49,085 El Chapo did react also with violence. 705 00:52:52,380 --> 00:52:55,425 In the world of Mexican cartels, 706 00:52:55,425 --> 00:52:57,969 practically, It was World War III. 707 00:53:05,060 --> 00:53:07,771 Some time later, in 2008, 708 00:53:07,771 --> 00:53:11,107 we received a call from a man from Mayo Zambada. 709 00:53:11,608 --> 00:53:15,362 He explained to us that the May I was listening to the call. 710 00:53:15,362 --> 00:53:18,907 And, in a few words, he said: "This is a friendly warning. 711 00:53:18,907 --> 00:53:20,867 "We only do it once." 712 00:53:22,494 --> 00:53:29,459 "If we find out that they receive a gram of cocaine from the Beltrán Leyva, 713 00:53:33,171 --> 00:53:35,256 "They are going to pay for it with their lives." 714 00:53:36,549 --> 00:53:38,718 Mm. I said, "Got it." 715 00:53:41,221 --> 00:53:44,099 Now we were in the middle of a war. 716 00:53:48,436 --> 00:53:52,065 My intuition told me that it wasn't going to end well. 717 00:54:05,620 --> 00:54:08,957 Out of nowhere, the Flores twins 718 00:54:08,957 --> 00:54:12,293 They came forward to collaborate with the US Government 719 00:54:12,961 --> 00:54:16,589 We couldn't believe those words came out of our mouths. 720 00:54:16,589 --> 00:54:18,008 I wanted to cooperate. 721 00:54:19,467 --> 00:54:23,304 I told them, "This is life or death. They have to understand it. 722 00:54:23,304 --> 00:54:27,517 There is no turning back. "This will reach the highest levels." 723 00:54:27,517 --> 00:54:30,520 And they asked: "Who do you have information about?" 724 00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:35,692 And my lawyer repeated the names: Chapo Guzmán, Mayo Zambada. 725 00:54:35,692 --> 00:54:38,028 And he said, "Are they playing?" 726 00:54:38,028 --> 00:54:42,240 WARNING: FEDERAL PROPERTY AREA WITH VIDEO SURVEILLANCE 727 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:46,578 The government needed proof that the bosses did business. 728 00:54:47,162 --> 00:54:49,539 {\an8}SHERIFF'S OFFICE FROM COOK COUNTY 729 00:54:49,539 --> 00:54:52,500 {\an8}And getting them was going to be very difficult. 730 00:54:52,500 --> 00:54:54,669 I was more worried about Mayo Zambada. 731 00:54:55,170 --> 00:54:57,797 May could last all day in the mountains. 732 00:55:02,802 --> 00:55:05,347 He took security very seriously. 733 00:55:07,182 --> 00:55:11,019 He was very careful with who he had around him 734 00:55:11,019 --> 00:55:13,021 and who he gave his trust to. 735 00:55:32,207 --> 00:55:35,794 {\an8}My father, Julio Scherer García, 736 00:55:36,294 --> 00:55:40,423 {\an8}was one of the few impeccable journalists. 737 00:55:43,677 --> 00:55:47,430 He had a long and established career 738 00:55:49,057 --> 00:55:55,397 and my dad was going to protect his source Absolutely. 739 00:55:56,731 --> 00:56:01,528 It is one, and, if not, the best journalist Mexico has ever had. 740 00:56:02,028 --> 00:56:05,198 As a reporter for the magazine Proceso, 741 00:56:05,198 --> 00:56:08,660 I have felt, in some way, a lucky man 742 00:56:08,660 --> 00:56:12,831 to be in that journalistic institution which Don Julio Scherer founded. 743 00:56:14,958 --> 00:56:18,003 In March or April 2010, 744 00:56:18,003 --> 00:56:21,339 he told us he showed up a person in Process. 745 00:56:22,841 --> 00:56:26,886 "I don't know where it's going to take me to meet Ismael Zambada". 746 00:56:27,721 --> 00:56:29,472 So, I was very anxious. 747 00:56:30,724 --> 00:56:31,808 Um... 748 00:56:33,059 --> 00:56:37,355 Well, he was one of the criminals most wanted in the world. 749 00:56:37,355 --> 00:56:43,903 Which I am absolutely certain It's just that no one told him: "Don't go." 750 00:56:44,529 --> 00:56:48,908 No? Nobody would have thought of that. First because we knew my dad. 751 00:56:49,659 --> 00:56:51,244 What my dad says is: 752 00:56:51,244 --> 00:56:56,041 "If the devil offered me an interview, "I would go to hell for it." 753 00:57:02,380 --> 00:57:06,384 It flew, right? Somewhere in the northeast, Sinaloa. 754 00:57:10,180 --> 00:57:14,017 A few hours later, They took him to a place in the mountains. 755 00:57:20,106 --> 00:57:22,942 This is the description my dad makes. 756 00:57:24,444 --> 00:57:28,782 "On a surface of rammed earth and under a roof of logs and reeds, 757 00:57:29,407 --> 00:57:34,287 We had arrived at the capo's shelter, His head was valued at millions of dollars. 758 00:57:35,288 --> 00:57:38,208 Ismael Zambada received me with the hand ready to greet 759 00:57:38,208 --> 00:57:40,210 and a few words of welcome. 760 00:57:40,210 --> 00:57:42,253 He was very interested in getting to know me. 761 00:57:42,754 --> 00:57:45,090 'Thank you very much', I responded naturally." 762 00:57:50,345 --> 00:57:52,555 It was the first interview that Mayo gave. 763 00:57:55,350 --> 00:57:59,354 My phone rang, and he was a DEA agent. 764 00:57:59,354 --> 00:58:02,691 And they told me: "Have you seen your magazine? 765 00:58:02,691 --> 00:58:06,277 Don Julio is coming on the cover with Mayo!" 766 00:58:13,743 --> 00:58:16,579 Well, it left me with my mouth open. 767 00:58:16,579 --> 00:58:20,125 It's the best kept secret that was in Process. 768 00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,922 That was the most up-to-date photo. that any government had 769 00:58:25,922 --> 00:58:28,466 about Zambada García at that time. 770 00:58:29,592 --> 00:58:32,846 It was quite an event and a rudeness. 771 00:58:34,514 --> 00:58:37,726 To say: "Here I am, I have been here 772 00:58:37,726 --> 00:58:39,436 and I can afford 773 00:58:39,436 --> 00:58:43,273 to bring the main journalist in Mexico let me take a photo 774 00:58:43,273 --> 00:58:45,066 and here we will be." 775 00:58:46,735 --> 00:58:49,529 "Is there space in you for peace of mind?" 776 00:58:50,030 --> 00:58:51,197 "I carry fear. 777 00:58:52,323 --> 00:58:54,492 All the time. Everything." 778 00:58:55,785 --> 00:58:57,746 "Will they finally catch him?" 779 00:58:58,413 --> 00:59:01,374 "At any time. Or never."